Aug 11, 2019, 1:49 PM
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Pala2 or Onesie Power?
At first glance, these two onepiece suits looks fairly similar to me, conceptually, along with aspects like size, shape, flight characteristics and price. I'm looking to upgrade my old Tube3, and would appreciate some empirical input regarding the Pala2 and Onesie Power (I'm not looking for input on others suits).
You won't get an unbiased opinion - I don't think anyone has even flown both suits - so I will give my biased opinion.
I have the Pala2 and I'm very happy with it. It inflates fast and is super easy to fly. For what it's worth, I don't think the two suits are very similar - neither in design nor in performance.
I don't think you can start the Onesie Power as quickly without sacrificing energy. When I look at the faster OP starts on skyderby they never get to a very good glide down the line. Where the OP seems to excel is at very high speeds but you have to get to that speed first.
This is all somewhat presumptuous as there are not yet many Pala2s around but a shitload of OPs. Looking at what has been tracked in the Cruise+ goes to show that the pilot makes a bigger difference than the suit anyways. Having said that I don't think I'm an exceptional tracker, yet the OPs usually don't keep up on a regular valley day.
The impressive OP tracks on skyderby are all on rather vertical exits with a diving start. If that's your style of tracking this might be the suit for you. I have yet to see an OP track with a sub-500 start subsequently averaging GR 2.2+ over the next 20s without losing speed like this one https://skyderby.ru/tracks/36080. This was only my 6th jump in the suit (although I had ~50 on the Pala1) and I wasn't going for performance metrics just flying according to the terrain.
But there might be better OP tracks that I haven't seen and there is context to every jump: winds, thermals, terrain etc. so who knows.... I'm sure there are people good enough to outperform me in an OP since the pilot is for sure the more important variable.
(This post was edited by setarkos on Aug 14, 2019, 8:11 AM)
As I am designing an other that is not in your list I think I can be less biaised tahn some others.
As the previous answer an to make it short I would say: - Pala2 has better starts - Onesie Power get speed faster because of its starts and probably is the fastest one piece suit - glide is probably very similar at the end
I think the best is to choose depending on the exits you want to jump: - Brento/Mushroom/... style exits, big rock drop and good height to the landing: Onesie Power - Shorter exits (7-8 sec) or shorter jumps (Less than 700m like Lauter): Pala2
I think this is a great topic and you've got some excellent feedback so far. I agree that they are two very different suits. I've flown a handful of one piece suits (Onesie Original, OP, Half-A, Mono, etc) and it really does break down to what you want to do with the suit and what style you're comfortable with and qualified for. Currently i'm in love with my Onesie Power. incredibly stable, fast, good glide, easy pull, completely free arm mobility, etc. It just feels right. BUT Thats not to say that you wouldn't feel right at home in a different suit as well. I would say the number of Onesie Powers in circulation speaks for itself and I have yet to hear much negativity of it from anyone. In the end, the suit you will be best in is the one you feel most comfortable in and the one you spend the most time in.
Thanks guys, there are indeed some very good and informative feedback that have been posted! I really appreciate it, and will be contemplating them all when ordering a suit this winter. Naturally I am aware that it comes down to the person jumping the suit, and what type of jumping one does. Still, it is very educational to get these hands on experiences and thoughts.
"Just take an old wingsuit with separate arm/leg wings, cut arm wings completely, and fly only with the leg wing. Either in normal tracking position, or with arm(s) stretched forward like a Superman (for BASE, temporarily stretching arms forward to set proper AoA and reduce the radius of the start arc would probably be necessary; not necessary in skydiving). You will leave any tracksuit/onesie/mutation/wingsuit in the dust. Why no one else is doing this and why manufacturers are not making leg-wing-only half-wingsuits, is beyond me."
Can the Pala 2 fit a little in this, at least for the ambition? One major leg wing plus drag concerns with new inlets...
I think your definitely in the right ball park. IMO there the best 2 one pieces on the market. My advice if try to borrow one of each of someone an try for yourself. Skydiving of course Also some food for thought is too think about what you want from the suit? From a tube 3 to both of these suits is a big jump, so currency, skill, terminal number ect. make a list what you find important. Speed, glide, fast starts, ect. I havent flown the Pala2 but have about 600 base in the onesie line up from the first to the onesiepower20. The suit has evolved alot over the versions an the 20 for me personally ticks all the boxes, Starts on the Pala2 are slightly faster still but overall glide is pretty much the same with the OP20 still has the better speed. Im a PF man but always try to give a honest opinion. People have different styles an wants so you need to know what you want. Feel free to hit me up if you have more questions.