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roostnureye

Mar 26, 2018, 8:12 AM
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I'm getting a free raven 218 with bridle attachment point, Never jumped. Would you even consider using it in a backup rig?
What about for wingsuit jumps? I know a few people jump them at bridge day, but what about real world?

Flyslow

Mar 26, 2018, 9:59 AM
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I have a raven III I slapped a tailpocket and tailgate on that I use for intentional water landings in an old warlock container. That's basically all its good for. I wouldn't use it for much of anything else.

leebuckner

Mar 26, 2018, 5:24 PM
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I made my 4 BASE jumps at bridge day with an old raven 2 that was 199 sq. Ft. With an old bikini slider and stayed dry and landed fine. But from what I've read on the old forums on here the newer ravens (perhaps like yours) would be ok with some modifications. But that's just coming from an old skydiver that doesn't know much about the real base world.

Skez

Mar 26, 2018, 10:05 PM
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ive got one to...its base modified havent used it yet.....but i have flown raven 2s and 3s ground launching and towups 100s of times they fly really well ive gone through a lot of shitty air with them....but think most people use them for bridges etc one thing u will notice is it will be missing a set of packing tabs...my base one has the extra tabs and dbs stronger bridle attachment and tailgate etc etc.....but all my others ive used have all had a group of packing tabs missing (compared to base canopies)i dont remember which line group

Skez

Mar 26, 2018, 10:49 PM
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yeh apparently the newer ones are called super ravens and theres a fair bit of difference and are much better for base....all mine had sail slider but think the older ones (non super raven) wer bikini slider.....theres a number or letter on the warning label that will tell u which it is i just forget as its been years since i researched old ravens

Ronald

Mar 27, 2018, 1:45 AM
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I have a Raven III 249 sqft base modified (tailpocket only) and jumped it slider up and down (hand held, and PCA). (80 kg exit weight). All good, but it does not flare well if jumped hand held below 70 meters. Learned that the hard way. I would still jump it though, very tough canopy.

madflicker

Mar 27, 2018, 5:57 AM
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I have a raven 4 282 and jumped it in Norway in 1998:) now I use it as a spare rig or loaner rig at Bridge day..

blitzkrieg

Mar 27, 2018, 9:17 AM
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As others have said, they work fine although I doubt they are anyone's first choice. I have an old Raven II I bought years ago from JT who probably had made many jumps from it as well.
It flies fine, but is pretty fast for me as I am not getting any lighter, so I now only use it for water jumps in my duct tape rig. :)

SpeedPhreak

Mar 28, 2018, 7:02 AM
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We used to do intentional cutaway jumps with a Sorcerer packed with a pair of Raven II's; lots of fun, but man do they open ugly...

dudeman17

Mar 29, 2018, 1:56 PM
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This is all older memories, so correct me if I'm wrong, but as I recall...

Back in the day I made lots of jumps on Ravens. They worked fine then and I'm sure they'd work fine now, but by today's standards I'm sure they're outdated. Raven II's are 218, not 199. Mine, both the older and newer, all came with sail sliders, not bikini, but of course I had mesh ones too.

I preferred the design of the original ones over the newer super Ravens for the following reason: On the original ones the bridle attachment was over the B line, and the stabilizers started at the B line. On the super Ravens, the bridle was over the C lines, and the stabilizers extended up to the A lines. My experience was that the original design opened on heading more reliably.

jtholmes

Mar 30, 2018, 11:45 PM
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Ravens are awesome for terminal jumps and for low jumps too. Bridge day is the real world.

gauleyguide

Apr 2, 2018, 6:09 PM
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I jumped a Raven III with a tail pocket and Dacron lines for a couple of seasons. It’s a great canopy if you figure out how to fly it.

roostnureye

Apr 23, 2018, 5:13 PM
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just got the raven2 in and it is from the 80s. Im guessing this will not be suitable for freefalls? maybe a rollover?

kleggo

May 2, 2018, 4:59 PM
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roostnureye wrote:
I'm getting a free raven 218 with bridle attachment point, Never jumped. Would you even consider using it in a backup rig?
What about for wingsuit jumps? I know a few people jump them at bridge day, but what about real world?

If its a Raven, (not Super), I'd only use it for slider off IF you've also reinforced the bridle attachment point.
I have about 40 slider off jumps on one and ONE bikini slider up jump with one. Won't repeat that one again.

If its a Super Raven, they are solid canopies for both slider up or down as long as you've reinforced the bridle attachment point and use a tail pocket.
I have over 100 jumps on one.

They fly and flare better than a similarly sized Fox.

That's all I got, but its REAL WORLD Experience, not just conjecture.

Ciao

ps, I still have it and would jump it again, specially for slider up, mesh slider applications.

George designed good stuff............ eventually.

Craig


(This post was edited by kleggo on May 2, 2018, 5:02 PM)

roostnureye

May 2, 2018, 6:11 PM
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Awesome man, really appreciate the info.
I've decided it's probably best to leave it be.
I've got a decent canopy right now.
Wish it would have been a super raven.

councilman24

May 12, 2018, 11:41 PM
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Are you sure it's not a super raven? Origianal ravens weren't made very long. If it a roman numeral it's super. If it's arabic numeral it's original.

base283

May 13, 2018, 4:14 AM
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I thought that Precision had addressed the weak pc attachment point. In my years of rigging, I´ve only reinforced the original version of the Raven. Please correct me.
To the OP. What would be your wingloading? If it is too high, that may relegate it to bridge jumps and water landings same as any other canopy with a high wingloading IMHO.
Take care,
space


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roostnureye

May 13, 2018, 8:25 AM
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base283 wrote:
I thought that Precision had addressed the weak pc attachment point. In my years of rigging, I´ve only reinforced the original version of the Raven. Please correct me.
To the OP. What would be your wingloading? If it is too high, that may relegate it to bridge jumps and water landings same as any other canopy with a high wingloading IMHO.
Take care,
space
I'd be loading it at .68 and it had a Dom of 1993, the label is completely worn out. Is there any other way to tell?

base283

May 13, 2018, 10:06 AM
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It is a Super Raven with that DOM. I believe that the stabilizers are counted in the surface area from the manufacturer´s data. PIA standard of measurement would be smaller surface area.
I will check.
Take care,
space

roostnureye

May 14, 2018, 10:24 AM
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base283 wrote:
It is a Super Raven with that DOM. I believe that the stabilizers are counted in the surface area from the manufacturer´s data. PIA standard of measurement would be smaller surface area.
I will check.
Take care,
space
I've read on another forum that the super ravens have a logo on the stabilizer and the older ones do not? Also read about the rib reinforcement. Older ones have a vertical reinforcement and super have crows foot? Any other differences m I'll look again this eve after work.

roostnureye

May 15, 2018, 7:10 AM
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Skez

May 17, 2018, 8:23 PM
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could be wrong,,,but thats not a bikini slider..

Skez

May 17, 2018, 8:27 PM
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ill elaborate the bikini slider should have some of those triangle bits completely missing.....again i could be wrong....but im fairly sure lol

roostnureye

May 18, 2018, 5:56 AM
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Thanks man, pete swan got back to me and confirmed it is a Super Raven! I really appreciate everyone's help!


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