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SpeedPhreak

Oct 6, 2017, 12:47 PM
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How would you configure a tail gate when doing really low freefall jumps? How do you balance tail control for heading and line over prevention vs. faster inflation and/or hesitations?

Opinions? Experiences?

Heat

Oct 7, 2017, 3:46 AM
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Smile


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SpeedPhreak

Oct 7, 2017, 5:22 AM
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And what species do you recommend, for more consistent results?

Heat

Oct 7, 2017, 5:35 AM
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Dandelion!

hjumper33
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Oct 7, 2017, 6:03 AM
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I make no changes whatsoever. I don't know what this "tail control for heading" you speak of is. Nose first inflation is the way to go. If your tailgate is causing hesitations or changing heading performance, you're doing it wrong.

SpeedPhreak

Oct 7, 2017, 6:32 AM
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I'm looking at it from an "ultra low" perspective. In an environment where you have low inflation pressures and possibly not even full inflation at landing, every variable can have a greater input.

I'm not so much worried about heading, as it is fairly irrelevant at low heights. I am curious as to the potential of a tightly held tail to slow down overall inflation/pressurization percentage.

Same with the primary stow.

TomAiello

Oct 7, 2017, 2:03 PM
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SpeedPhreak wrote:
I'm looking at it from an "ultra low" perspective. In an environment where you have low inflation pressures and possibly not even full inflation at landing, every variable can have a greater input.

If you're that low, I'd real world tests higher up with your own gear and configuration.

Personally, down there I'd go with two wraps (and no girth hitch ever). And a fairly loose locking stow.

SpeedPhreak

Oct 7, 2017, 6:05 PM
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Oh yea, I'm not going to just onsite a random short tower and huck it first thing. I'm looking at a specific rig set up for this, and dialing it in on much higher stuff...

That's the set up I'm thinking for tail gate/primary stow; I was just poking around to see of I could get some valid, real world opinions (not that I really expected any...).

;)

wasatchrider

Oct 8, 2017, 7:20 AM
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TomAiello wrote:
SpeedPhreak wrote:
I'm looking at it from an "ultra low" perspective. In an environment where you have low inflation pressures and possibly not even full inflation at landing, every variable can have a greater input.

If you're that low, I'd real world tests higher up with your own gear and configuration.

Personally, down there I'd go with two wraps (and no girth hitch ever). And a fairly loose locking stow.
Or just put the wraps above the girth hitch

TomAiello

Oct 8, 2017, 9:11 AM
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wasatchrider wrote:
Or just put the wraps above the girth hitch

I prefer to use a brand new rubber band on every jump, because they are the functional component of the tailgate and I want a brand new fresh one on every jump. Since I don't ever intend to re-use one, there is no reason for me to girth hitch them.

The girth hitch just tempts people to re-use them, and I see jumpers pushing them long past the point where they should have put a new one on.

hookitt

Oct 8, 2017, 2:58 PM
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 I don't understand why reusing a rubber band would be an issue. Sky rigs use rubber bands over and over. A primary stow gets used over an over as well. I don't see why a tail gate rubber band can not be used multiple times.

TomAiello

Oct 8, 2017, 5:31 PM
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It can.

But most people who I see re-using it just continue re-using it until it breaks (same as they would in the skydiving environment) rather than actually inspecting and making a decision about when to replace it (before it fails in use).

The simplest way to avoid that is just to use a new one on every jump, and since the marginal cost to do so is well less than a single penny, it seems like an cheap, easy solution to me.

hjumper33
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Oct 9, 2017, 1:29 AM
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Agreed, but a lot of people eventually wind up losing it, and not having another one out in the field. Ill bet a lot of jumpers have used grass or something else improvised, which is probably worse than a damaged rubberband. I larkshead a rubberband directly to the inside C as discussed on other threads, and just keep a spare small rubberband in the mud flap. To each their own.

base283

Oct 9, 2017, 3:43 AM
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"but a lot of people eventually wind up losing it, and not having another one out in the field."
Be aware of people that are unprepared and donīt be "that guy". Just saying.
Take care,
space


(This post was edited by base283 on Oct 9, 2017, 3:44 AM)

Hajo

Oct 9, 2017, 4:38 AM
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Wink nice one, Mr. T

back on topic: if only a small hesitation in the opening could end my life, I would redirect my energy and mental flow to choose a different opening technique .. Cool
Just my 50 cents ...

GreenMachine

Oct 9, 2017, 5:07 AM
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I would likely use thin, green, painter's tape
on just the Control and D lines, and consider
skipping elastic on the primary stow bight.

hjumper33
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Oct 9, 2017, 2:38 PM
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I'm also just curious of your definition of "really low freefall". I'm thinking sub 180, just wondering what you meant.

SpeedPhreak

Oct 9, 2017, 6:49 PM
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I don't really have a hard definition of "really low", but yea, under 180' is where I'm looking at being.

SpeedPhreak

Oct 9, 2017, 7:03 PM
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Hajo wrote:
I would redirect my energy and mental flow to choose a different opening technique...

I'm definitely looking at it more holistically than just focusing on any one aspect of jumps of this nature. I was just looking for some thoughts/opinions on this component.

Hajo

Oct 11, 2017, 4:43 AM
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Got it..

But would be sad if you follow one advice of all those stated above and then find out that it doesnīt work ...

wasatchrider

Oct 11, 2017, 7:29 AM
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Hajo wrote:
Got it..

But would be sad if you follow one advice of all those stated above and then find out that it doesnīt work ...

they did ask the internet

SpeedPhreak

Oct 11, 2017, 7:44 AM
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I had to, I wasn't getting what I wanted to hear just by watching videos on YouTube...

epibase

Oct 11, 2017, 6:04 PM
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or go no tailgate and use bury the tail packing method. I’ve done 100+ jumps slider off with no tailgate whatsoever.
not that it makes it a good idea....

Hajo

Oct 12, 2017, 3:52 AM
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wasatchrider wrote:

they did ask the internet

maybe a nice writing on a tombstone ..

Wink

SpeedPhreak

Oct 12, 2017, 12:43 PM
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Interesting. I've never packed with the Tilley Fold method, might be something to look in to though. I can see some advantages.

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