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BASE1817

Aug 27, 2017, 3:16 PM
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I hope you check every single seam on your new rig and parachute. You might want to thank me later.

This is pretty serious folks, and needs adressing!

bluhdow

Aug 27, 2017, 3:49 PM
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I assume this is related to the following FB thread:

https://m.facebook.com/...9368&ref=m_notif
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base570

Aug 27, 2017, 4:52 PM
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How about a synopsis for those who have not been indoctrinated into the facebook cult.

BASE1817

Aug 27, 2017, 5:04 PM
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New rig, jumper made a test-packjob, pulled the bridle and seam let go, leaving the pin in the closing-loop.

If jumper didnt check, we'd have the first fatality due to gear-failure in decades.

BCSOG

Aug 27, 2017, 5:59 PM
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BASE1817 wrote:
I hope you check every single seam on your new rig and parachute. You might want to thank me later.

This is pretty serious folks, and needs adressing!

I couldn't put a number on how many times I've heard of a performance designs chute having a defect, as well as other manufacturers, large or small companies, it's bound to happen alot with a large company that produces that many canopies, however when it comes to containers, and othe gear, this is completely unacceptable, and every canopy, container, wingsuit, pc ect, that's being manufactured in those countries especially, should go through a second inspection by someone reputable who's job is just that, and it should be done with profound oversight in which the company headquarters are located.Anything less is disturbing to say the least, not only because of the price we pay, but because our lives are at stake.

BigfcknG

Aug 27, 2017, 6:32 PM
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You're paying American prices and getting a product manufactured in Vietnam. More quality control and less marketing.

Fledgling

Aug 27, 2017, 7:18 PM
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Well this should be an interesting spin.

BASE1817

Aug 27, 2017, 11:10 PM
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We'll get a statement by Matt soon blaming everyone else but themselves and the problem will be gone in the very same moment.

surfers98

Aug 27, 2017, 11:35 PM
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While this may be an unpopular opinion, I'd encourage people to think a little more critically and skeptically, rather than simply accepting the original FB poster's pics and words at face value. While it may well be a manufacturer defect, jumping to premature conclusions without seeing the bridle firsthand seems slightly rash to me.

BigfcknG

Aug 28, 2017, 12:04 AM
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I'm not into the brand war that's been raging for ages, but if you see the photos others have posted of their defective gear and keep in mind the incident with the Stronglite failure, it's no stretch to assume that something is wrong. I personally would never jump gear that is made in a factory half way across the world from their HQ that is in a developing country, especially when the premium is in line with established, in house manufacturers. And that's not only my opinion.

BASE1817

Aug 28, 2017, 12:25 AM
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"But children in Vietnam need jobs too!"

#MVGA

434

Aug 28, 2017, 1:25 AM
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Are we talking false news, or fake news?

Anyone?

Heat

Aug 28, 2017, 2:39 AM
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Seems like people are very critical and sceptical - of a broken bridle! That's black death delivered straight from the manufacturer. Fucking hell.

gharrop

Aug 28, 2017, 2:44 AM
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I love me some Squirrel bashing as much as the next guy, but the people saying this is a guaranteed fatality are wrong. It'd tear the flaps on opening but with routing out the middle (as shown in the manual) the canopy slides right out. Try it and see.

Still, WTF guys.
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alygator

Aug 28, 2017, 3:06 AM
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So everything is fine Cool

gharrop

Aug 28, 2017, 3:26 AM
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No, I didn't say that. But no one else has corrected the people making false statements about this being a guaranteed fatality (an Apex employee, what does that say about his knowledge of gear?) or that this would have been the first gear fatality in "decades" (hint: Look at #171) or suggesting that buying an actual American-made rig is a safer choice (Badseed? Hahahaha!).

Assuming they take appropriate actions to ensure this never happens again, I would trust them more than a manufacturer that is less transparent and hasn't had such a public manufacturing issue & PR disaster.

BryanCampau

Aug 28, 2017, 4:08 AM
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Most importantly - was his order received on time? #MakeVietnamGreatAgain

.....Crazy

Unacceptable.

BASE1817

Aug 28, 2017, 5:47 AM
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I route through the middle without having read their manual. I'm poor, I swear by 2nd hand gear by trusted friends that care about their gear. Yet.. I'd get really pissy if my closing pin got torn off!

So has everyone receiveied their email by squirrel yet, saying "check your bridles!"?

SpeedPhreak

Aug 28, 2017, 7:14 AM
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BASE1817 wrote:
I hope you check every single seam on your new rig and parachute.

I would think that not only would this be standard practice with new gear, but with used gear and regularly with current gear as well.

SpeedPhreak

Aug 28, 2017, 8:18 AM
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Anybody else have a problem with how they executed their attachment point?
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bluhdow

Aug 28, 2017, 9:42 AM
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We encourage all jumpers to come tour the Apex shop. You can meet all of our employees, see all of our raw materials, and watch gear being handmade by skilled employees right here in Southern CA.

All manufacturers make errors. We're human. For a list of Apex errors feel free to view our service bulletins, here:

https://apexbase.com/pages/documentation/

If there's anything else we can do to improve transparency I am open to suggestions, honestly. We feel that it's one of our strongest competitive advantages and we're always open to feedback.

SpeedPhreak

Aug 28, 2017, 10:15 AM
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So, looking at the two failure photos vs. Squirrels emailed photo; it looks like the "it should look like this" from Squirrel is using a 1/2 type IV on the pin attachment while the failure photos look more like a type III (binding tape) weave pattern?

OLopez

Aug 28, 2017, 10:57 AM
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It looks like type 5 in both photos to me

Fledgling

Aug 28, 2017, 5:23 PM
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SpeedPhreak wrote:
So, looking at the two failure photos vs. Squirrels emailed photo; it looks like the "it should look like this" from Squirrel is using a 1/2 type IV on the pin attachment while the failure photos look more like a type III (binding tape) weave pattern?

It's hard to say they look different from the pics provided. The failed pin attachment does look to be made of some type of Herringbone weave not Square weave as you noted but it is tough to say definitively from the pic. However you can clearly see that it is not Ribbon weave.

Edit: All 3 materials can be used safely for pin attachments.


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Fledgling

Aug 28, 2017, 5:32 PM
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bluhdow wrote:
If there's anything else we can do to improve transparency I am open to suggestions, honestly.

Honestly, I think Todd should find somebody with a little more knowledge and experience to head up this new online presence you are pushing.

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