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AntoineLaporte

Feb 1, 2017, 5:31 AM
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I guess it is the new name for the Squirrel instructors team.

I would just like to precise some french stuff about this site.

In France to be paid teaching any sport or physical activity you need to have a degree. If the degree does not exists you cannot be paid. This is the law, that's it !

When I see on this site that they are doing some advertising for (illegal) FJC in France, as a member of the french paralpinism association who fight for my sport I get very angry and upset. This is jeopardising the insurance we got.

I know some people are ready to do everything for money and business...

So please just relay this info around you, all the FJC in France are illegal, if you have an accident during these courses and if the insurance company is aware that is was during a course you will probably not be covered.

I will remind also that the paralpinism insurance is covering the jumps only from Earth, so all the bridge's jumps are not covered.

Thank you for reading,

Antoine

alygator

Feb 1, 2017, 9:56 AM
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Next level of BS! I hope French association will do something about that
You have legal bridges in USA, so don t bring the mess here please.


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AntoineLaporte

Feb 1, 2017, 10:33 AM
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Bridges a usually legal in France, it's just not allowed to walk on if it's an highway (toll road).
Just the french paralpinism insurance does not cover the jumps from bridges.
The French paralpinism pssociation is not FBA which is owned by one the the Next Level instructor.

alygator

Feb 1, 2017, 10:42 AM
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No specifics rules about BJ doesn t mean it s legal to jump it.
(fixed for Fba)

wasatchrider

Feb 1, 2017, 10:45 AM
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alygator wrote:
Next level of BS! I hope French association will do something about that
You have legal bridges in USA, so don t bring the mess here please.

who said they are going to your bridges anyways

AntoineLaporte

Feb 1, 2017, 10:51 AM
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alygator wrote:
No specifics rules about BJ doesn t mean it s legal to jump it.
(fixed for Fba)

Actually it is in France.
Noboby has never had receive a fine for jumping a bridge.
But you can receive a fine for walking on the highway because it can distract drivers and be dangerous.

alygator

Feb 1, 2017, 10:54 AM
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"French locations for fbc", we all know here where it is.
Not "my" bridges, but after all the accidents last season and the bad publicity with authorities and media, we don t need semi official base school in France despite the law mentioned by Antoine and the insurance issue

alygator

Feb 1, 2017, 10:59 AM
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AntoineLaporte wrote:
Actually it is in France.
Noboby has never had receive a fine for jumping a bridge.
But you can receive a fine for walking on the highway because it can distract drivers and be dangerous.
Lot of things are allowed here until too much bullshit.
It s matter of time...


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AntoineLaporte

Feb 1, 2017, 11:01 AM
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Agree

AntoineLaporte

Feb 1, 2017, 11:29 AM
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I still don't like that a website is doing some promotion for FJC in France where it's illegal.

BASE1817

Feb 1, 2017, 1:08 PM
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Squirrel also called Grahams flying "This is the future". They'll end up wiping themselves out, just a question of time until people realize they're only interested in money and what they perceive as "fame".

Good luck to their students, they'll need a LOT of it!

hjumper33
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Feb 1, 2017, 1:58 PM
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Quick questions for my riled up frenchy friends. Are you saying it's illegal to teach any course for money in France in base because the degree doesn't exist? Has anyone run a fjc in France and charged money in the past? Not trying to start an arguement, just trying to understand the law. I know Rok is a mountain guide etc, but. It sure if that counts for anything.


As far as graham being "the wave of the future" or whatever, his videos were intense and amazing, and I wouldn't say a ton of people were super surprised when he died. Same with uli, same with polli, same with more people this year that will fly aggressively and die in whatever model of wingsuit they choose to die in. I don't really think you can put that on a specific manufacturer. When jokke was pushing hard, I didn't hear a lot of people say "oh how could Phoenix fly support that".

AntoineLaporte

Feb 1, 2017, 2:09 PM
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hjumper33 wrote:
Quick questions for my riled up frenchy friends. Are you saying it's illegal to teach any course for money in France in base because the degree doesn't exist? Has anyone run a fjc in France and charged money in the past? Not trying to start an arguement, just trying to understand the law. I know Rok is a mountain guide etc, but. It sure if that counts for anything.
First it's exactly what I'm saying. No degree, no teaching for money. The law is very clear about that.
So people have done it, probably some are still doing it, but they are not doing any public advertising.

Roch is not what is called mountain guide in France, he is "Accompagnateur en Montagne" what I could translate by mountain hikking guide. He cannot take people if rope or any other kind of climbing equipment is required (crampons, ice axe,...).

I agree with you on the second part, the Need for Speed vids where the firsts, now Squirrel is pushing also, no winner here. I think I never saw Tony with that kind of advertising.

hjumper33
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Feb 1, 2017, 3:44 PM
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Gotcha, I remember going through this a couple years ago in Cham. I was under the impression that base was classified as an "activity" and not a "sport", so you actually don't need a degree to teach it. Did they change this recently?

e.ryde

Feb 1, 2017, 8:40 PM
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First of all. so much crying.

Second. Angry swiss guy needs to go away. Not wanted here. worst posts, every time. Every thread, this guy posts the worst most useless shite. Please get lost or act like a man. Thank you.

hjumper33
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Feb 1, 2017, 8:43 PM
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e.ryde wrote:
. Angry swiss guy.

You're going to have to be much much more specific Wink

Heat

Feb 1, 2017, 11:04 PM
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Blasts people for "crying", then "cries" about another posterLaugh

MBA-PATTO

Feb 1, 2017, 11:08 PM
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Wink bahahahahahhahahahha This place is still a shithole..

BASE1817

Feb 1, 2017, 11:40 PM
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And this gets truer every day!

AntoineLaporte

Feb 2, 2017, 1:10 AM
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hjumper33 wrote:
Gotcha, I remember going through this a couple years ago in Cham. I was under the impression that base was classified as an "activity" and not a "sport", so you actually don't need a degree to teach it. Did they change this recently?

It was "activity" and "NOT SPORT", or activity and not "sport" ?
In France skydiving and paragliding are sport, there is no way somebody can say BASEjumping is NOT a sport.
The law applies on ALL "sports or physical activities", not on a list.
For example in France you cannot teach FOR MONEY SlackLine, Ropejump, ...
If I remember well sport means competition. Cave exploring for example is not a sport but it is a physical activity and you need a degree to teach it.
As they are competitions around the world BASE can be consider as a sport. Some people are BASE athletes, hard to say it's "not a sport" nowadays.

Actually there is no country with degree, the difference is that in France you need one to be paid, but every BASE teacher just says that he has the knowledge, nobody has a degree.

hjumper33
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Feb 2, 2017, 2:43 AM
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Yah that's exactly what im wondering. I think your logic makes 100%sense, but as of 2 years ago we specifically went through the Ministere des Sports and were told that it did not fall under the regulation of "physical activities". Maybe its changed since then, but I guess you could contact them for clarification, or see if squirrel has.

AntoineLaporte

Feb 2, 2017, 3:11 AM
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I could and I would ;)

flyjeronimo

Feb 2, 2017, 3:11 AM
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What Iam affraid of is that king of LITTLE details... for a jumping course!? Cool
Of course in life, everyone can progress the mentor also...

But V. Bridge in an Hignway bridge and is not allowed it is just a "petite et cool" tolerance. Making publicity of that bridge with the NAME is really disrespectful for the locals and those who do everything to conserve this spot of freedom.
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GreenMachine

Feb 2, 2017, 4:18 AM
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Some of us who teach BASE have a couple degrees
they are just in other subject matters of course Wink

Seriously though, what if a person had a university
degree in Exercise Physiology? Would that be a
credential You and France think is sufficient?

I ask because I know Steve Blincoe has one and
he used to help train Olympic athletes in Colorado
as well as teach freeflying to SKY jumpers.

AntoineLaporte

Feb 2, 2017, 4:24 AM
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GreenMachine wrote:
Some of us who teach BASE have a couple degrees
they are just in other subject matters of course Wink

Seriously though, what if a person had a university
degree in Exercise Physiology? Would that be a
credential You and France think is sufficient?

I ask because I know Steve Blincoe has one and
he used to help train Olympic athletes in Colorado
as well as teach freeflying to SKY jumpers.

The degree must be one corresponding exactly to the sport you want to teach.
You cannot teach tennis if you have a table tennis degree.

You can be world champion in a sport and cannot teach it. Being good at a sport does not mean you will be good at teaching it, that's what the degree is for.

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