Looks pretty cool. Nice to see testing in those conditions. I would be interested to feel how firm his grip has to be to keep from a premature deployment. Great that hes continuing to refine the idea. The one scenario I could really see a benefit is if theres a design of wingsuit that doesnt allow for easy access to the BOC in the future, ie bigger or more rigid wings.
I have been looking into the wingtip pouch recently and I think now might be a good time to bump this thread.
It seems to me that it's the way forward; important pros and not many cons.
I haven't found any feedback from people using it so it would be great if those who use it could give a feedback on it. It would help to know how reliable it is.
How many jumps have you done with it so far? Besides taking longer to set it up, is there anything else you would consider a con? Have you ever had any PC hesitation with it? Have the PC ever gone into the burble? Have you had any problems with the bridle? Have you had any other malfunctions with it? Do you think it affects the flight (wing symmetry)?
mid air collision, with either another jumper or "other", could result in a premature deployment. A casual bump during a multi way could lead to a premature opening - which would be hilarious if no harm done. Also, there are a lot of jumpers out there that have hit trees, branches and other assorted foliage, and the pouch could change a close call into a horrible accident.
In a case like Roberta's where you're zipped in and just panic pulling it might actually be better as long as you're not on your back because otherwise you have a bunch of flapping, uninflated wing to reach past instead of just flicking your wrist and then spending the next couple seconds (since it's subterminal and 36''-ish) getting stable.
The bad case is if you're unzipped and slip (low ultimate), but your odds are pretty bad then anyways.
The pouch introduces more components that can be misassembled and involves routing the bridle from the pin to the jumpers wrist. Both of which increase the risk of premature or possibly delayed deployments.
The PC incidents that have occured are tragedies but have been relatively few. IMO the frequency does not justify the added risk of the more complex system with every jumper retrofitting their gear and retraining their deployment technique.
If safety is the goal then educating wingsuit pilots on safer ways to progress towards low exits & terrain flying would be an obvious project.
That looks like only maybe 10-15 meters AGL. Do you think Ludo, Brian, & Dan would have still gone in if they had an easy bail option without any loss of flight performance? What about the numerous fatalities from jumpers who couldn't get flying quickly and most likely stayed 100% focused on getting themselves flying until they hit the talus?
I've had something similar speedriding. Until impact I had no choice but to be fully committed to landing as gently as possible. If I had a button in my hand to pop my reserve, I might have used it. But throwing your lap mounted reserve means letting go of the controls and giving up as PIC. Hence I've crashed a number of times but never thrown a reserve. Education only goes so far, sometimes shit just happens.
I think this deployment method is really cool and would be great for certain reasons, my issue is the loss of altitude argument. When I pitch, its with one arm going back but I keep my flight profile, I dont nose over, I dont start dropping, I reach back, pull, and return to flight. I'm not sure I even lose any extra altitude during this evolution b/c I have enough speed built up to cover the loss of 1sqft of wing.
I would add one con to the list though, if that yellow cable gets dirty or a rock gets into the fabric, you may not be able to pull. The BOC is a direct pull method where you yourself put the fabric into the wind, this setup is just a release so the PC can get itself into the wind. Releases fail.
I agree with you in theory, but we both know that's not gonna happen. And as we almost saw on Saturday, it's not just low flying that can kill you.
I count 5 wingsuiters in the last 18 months who've gone in because they couldn't find the PC or fucked up the PC throw. That's just the obvious ones. Less obvious are the cases where they've stalled out (like Philippe Jean) and we don't know if they tried to panic pull or not.
The BOC is one of the few parts of a rig that's been essentially unchanged for the last 20 years. Meanwhile wingsuits are getting bigger and exits are getting shorter. Saying it's an education/training problem sounds like the arguments against AADs before the triple bounce in Antarctica.
It's not just PC incidents though. What about cases like this where you're just barely matching the terrain?
I don't think we need a system that can open lower, we need to fly higher.
This x 1000!
The swiss pouch is an interesting concept, but I put it right along side a reserve canopy in base. If you use your gear properly and make sound choices, you should continue to have the same success that the majority of wingsuit pilots have during the entire history of wingsuit base jumping.
Saying a swiss pouch would have saved ludo, brian, and dan is pretty short sighted, when what would have saved them is better planning prior to exiting the heli. They were incredibly talented pilots, and had the ability to flare and quickly pull. They realized they couldnt outfly the terrain seconds before impact, which I would assume is why none of them even attempted to pull.
Proper training, knowing your gear (how to maintain and carefully pack it) and flying at 50% of your talent and abilities would prevent 95% of all wingsuit fatalities.