|
|
|
|
ee1
May 27, 2012, 9:06 AM
Post #1 of 21
(17775 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Jan 6, 2010
Posts: 50
|
Could it be possible to invent some kind of panic button that when pressed would shoot the canopy out? Like in a case you have a problem with deploying be it malfunction or operation error.
|
|
|
|
|
OuttaBounZ
May 27, 2012, 9:18 AM
Post #2 of 21
(17764 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Nov 9, 2010
Posts: 888
|
You mean like this?
TOSS THIS ^^ DURING RAPID LOSS OF ALTITUDE TO AVOID PANIC
With all seriousness though I have wondered about something like a BOC cutaway or something. It obviously wouldn't do anything for the low and dirty, but those wingin it off of places might have an option if they can't find the handle.
(This post was edited by OuttaBounZ on May 27, 2012, 9:21 AM)
|
|
|
|
|
ee1
May 27, 2012, 9:25 AM
Post #3 of 21
(17756 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Jan 6, 2010
Posts: 50
|
|
Re: [OuttaBounZ] Panic Button?
[In reply to]
|
Can't Post
|
|
I was thinking more like an airbag type solution :D might be a pretty hard opening but it's always better than terminal impact I guess
(This post was edited by ee1 on May 27, 2012, 9:26 AM)
|
|
|
|
|
OuttaBounZ
May 27, 2012, 9:39 AM
Post #4 of 21
(17745 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Nov 9, 2010
Posts: 888
|
ee1 wrote: I was thinking more like an airbag type solution :D
|
|
|
|
|
uer16
May 27, 2012, 11:28 AM
Post #5 of 21
(17687 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Oct 10, 2010
Posts: 194
|
I thought about this a lot awhile ago. The whole problem is that the complexity just, well, kills the idea.You would need a minimum of 4-5 cables running from the handle.. 2 for the closing loops, 1 for the BOC cutaway, and 1-2 for the spring activation loop. All of this weight and complexity for a remote(astronomical) chance of you missing the pc and somehow having enough time for pulling this handle (and the force required to pull it would be huge).
Soo, it seems to me that there is absolutely no point even trying something like that
|
|
|
|
|
OuttaBounZ
May 27, 2012, 6:09 PM
Post #6 of 21
(17598 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Nov 9, 2010
Posts: 888
|
I completely disagree. Two cables, weaves on the BOC, velcro holds the far end, cables come together and run up the left side to a pillow where the reserve handle would be.
|
|
|
|
|
OuttaBounZ
May 27, 2012, 11:32 PM
Post #8 of 21
(17521 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Nov 9, 2010
Posts: 888
|
My idea is much easier.
|
|
|
|
|
ineed2fly
May 28, 2012, 12:03 AM
Post #9 of 21
(17512 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Mar 8, 2010
Posts: 82
|
|
Re: [OuttaBounZ] Panic Button?
[In reply to]
|
Can't Post
|
|
You'd only need to cut away one side of the BOC, but I highly doubt that there would be enough air flowing over the BOC to blow the PC off your back, at least subterminal anyways. Are there any base fatalities from a confirmed hard pull?
|
|
|
|
|
OuttaBounZ
May 28, 2012, 6:17 AM
Post #10 of 21
(17428 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Nov 9, 2010
Posts: 888
|
By cutting away all but the end of the BOC you have less risk of it remaining stowed.
And as far as subterminal, there would be no time to go to an emergency handle so the point is moot. I don't even try to pull high enough to think "hmmm handle" if I miss. I just keep trying to grab shit and chuck shit.
Now hurry up and come visit!
|
|
|
|
|
BigfcknG
May 29, 2012, 12:58 AM
Post #11 of 21
(17268 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Nov 10, 2008
Posts: 95
|
Try skydiving. They love all that fancy shit.
|
|
|
|
|
mike_sketo
Jun 16, 2012, 11:56 AM
Post #12 of 21
(16248 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Mar 13, 2011
Posts: 18
|
|
Re: [OuttaBounZ] Panic Button?
[In reply to]
|
Can't Post
|
|
http://www.paragear.com/templates/parachute.asp?group=481&t2parent=11&parent=57&level=3
its been previously made for skydiving use . i did some jumps on it with this special cutaway BOC . looked well made , worked good in the ground .
But still if you believe there is a chance of not finding your pull , better not jump that day .
|
|
|
|
|
-rm
Jun 17, 2012, 4:06 AM
Post #13 of 21
(16021 views)
Shortcut
Registered: May 19, 2011
Posts: 90
|
Your problem is mainly wingsuit related, isn't it.
I've seen a prototype, can't remember where though, where the pilot chute was stowed in the right wing and basically held in hand along with the handle-part of the wingsuit. deployment is started by simply letting go of the handle, which is already in clean air. Probably works great in full flight, don't know how it works if your unstable though. Panic = release. Maybe they'll find a way to make it spring-loaded  It would be cool, though, if they made a rocket-powered skyhook-system triggered by a panic-button. You could probably get linestretch even if you're just standing still :) Burning canopy, but still linestretch  Maybe a spud-gun would work safer. Boooring.
Completely aggree with the skydive-comment. Just stick to that.
|
|
|
|
|
drop-bear
Jun 19, 2012, 1:35 AM
Post #14 of 21
(15677 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Mar 4, 2012
Posts: 6
|
-rm wrote: I've seen a prototype, can't remember where though, where the pilot chute was stowed in the right wing and basically held in hand along with the handle-part of the wingsuit.
|
|
|
|
|
zmorlock
Jun 19, 2012, 11:31 AM
Post #15 of 21
(15553 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Aug 7, 2006
Posts: 22
|
|
Re: [OuttaBounZ] Panic Button?
[In reply to]
|
Can't Post
|
|
dude...that's my rig! and my favorite panic button.
|
|
|
|
|
Ugojump
Jun 25, 2012, 1:08 PM
Post #16 of 21
(14482 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Feb 27, 2001
Posts: 18
|
Panic can lead to your demise:
Everyone experiences the unexpected sometimes and itīs part of the learning process to become a solid BASE jumper. Being prepared, trained and aware is the medicine to avoid a panic and react intuitively and correctly.
Panic leads to freezing, over-reacting or plain losing control.
Itīs better to press the panic button in your mind before even jumping and thinking through what you would do in case the jump doesnīt go as planned.
I know of at least a few panic reactions of jumpers that ended up in the hospital. This includes pulling too early, unstable and ending up with little to no chance to recover.
i.e. Slipping off the exit and panic pulling, jumping off and panic pulling after an unstable exit, panic pulling in a mediocre track, panic pulling hastily when getting a bit low.
http://www.basejumper.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2955770;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;forum_view=forum_view_collapsed;;page=unread#unread
Dominik Loyen
http://321BASE.eu
|
|
|
|
|
Arto_L
Jul 18, 2012, 11:35 PM
Post #17 of 21
(9920 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Nov 29, 2009
Posts: 2
|
Cutting away the PC-pouch is dumb. If one is in doubt that he can't find or pull the PC - that person should not BASE-jump in the first place.
In case of a knot in the bridle/PC a cutaway for the closing loops might save you. For example on a wingsuitjump, where you still have time to fly after pitching and noticing the hesitation.
This would also be very lightweight and easy to build/use. Could be built from stock skydiving parts.
...but still the opening sequence would be slow and nasty without the help of an inflated PC. So what the fuck. BASE-jumping is by no means mandatory anyway.
(This post was edited by Arto_L on Jul 18, 2012, 11:37 PM)
|
|
|
|
|
Oink
Jul 18, 2012, 11:55 PM
Post #18 of 21
(9910 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Jul 28, 2009
Posts: 85
|
Arto_L wrote: If one is in doubt that he can't find or pull the PC - that person should not BASE-jump in the first place.
IMHO that statement is not always true.
PC is not always your friend and sometimes he do enjoy hide&seek game. For Example all of us can remember even Douggs needing 3 attempts in his "No Pull Find" video... now please go to him and tell him he should quit the game (bring a gopro with u) :P
Arto_L wrote: In case of a knot in the bridle/PC a cutaway for the closing loops might save you. For example on a wingsuitjump, where you still have time to fly after pitching and noticing the hesitation.
Now I totally agree with u :)
If u r interested in looking at one of the many experiment, there is a well documented one (with pics) on the B.A.S.E. board at http://www.blincmagazine.com/forum/thread53438.html (the loading of all the pics can take some seconds)
(This post was edited by Oink on Jul 18, 2012, 11:56 PM)
|
|
|
|
|
Arto_L
Jul 19, 2012, 1:05 AM
Post #19 of 21
(9879 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Nov 29, 2009
Posts: 2
|
Oink wrote: IMHO that statement is not always true. PC is not always your friend and sometimes he do enjoy hide&seek game. For Example all of us can remember even Douggs needing 3 attempts in his "No Pull Find" video... now please go to him and tell him he should quit the game (bring a gopro with u) :P
I don't like to talk about other people and their actions. But still:
1. I'm sure he thought on the exit(and still thinks today) that he CAN find the PC and don't need a cut-away PC-pouch. That's why in my opinion - he should keep on jumping as long as he likes it.
2. He found the PC! Procedure for not finding it, was to look again. This turned out to be effective. In that particular altitude - throwing was a lot more effective than cutting away the BOC.
(Propably had a leg pouch on that jump(?))
I do not wan't to diss the leg pouch, but I personally want to keep the PC monted to a solid peace of rigging and surrounded by spandex.
If somebody thinks the leg puoch is good for them, then it propably is. Same goes the other way around. My point is no-one should jump with gear that they think the cannot operate propably. Anyway, accidents just happen sometimes. It is a sad fact, but doesn't stop us living to the fullest and doing what we love. 
(This post was edited by Arto_L on Jul 19, 2012, 1:10 AM)
|
|
|
|
|
jack79
Jul 22, 2012, 5:55 AM
Post #20 of 21
(8827 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Jun 15, 2008
Posts: 42
|
|
Re: [OuttaBounZ] Panic Button?
[In reply to]
|
Can't Post
|
|
Hysterical!
|
|
|
|
|
-rm
Jul 23, 2012, 8:54 AM
Post #21 of 21
(8459 views)
Shortcut
Registered: May 19, 2011
Posts: 90
|
Arto_L wrote: ... but I personally want to keep monted to a solid peace of rigging and surrounded by spandex.
|
|
|
|
|
